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He correctly points out that Chirstian teachings were always part of the American education system, from the New England Primer right to the Bible as a textbook. In a nation of 300 million people, there will rarely be consensus across the board.Limbaugh is a lawyer and it shows from the outset. The world is not so black and white that one can argue conservatives are good and liberals are bad (or the other way around if that is your persuasion). Too often advocates of one political party fail to see the forest for the trees and just blame the other side for all that is wrong. He also fails to recognize that an education system is far more complex than teaching kids about Adam's fall. SOme of his arguments are well-defined while others gloss over or rely on allegations.
For every liberal like the late Ted Kennedy, there is a Jack Abramhof or Tom Delay. If we took religion to the extreme of, say Saudi Arabia, we would have a police force that would do nothing but ensure Christian principles were followed, but who then defines what Christianity really is. If only these liberals didn't exist, Limbaugh may conclude the world would be perfect.Limbaugh begins his study with the education system, where Christianity is blocked at every turn. Limbaurgh conveniently forgets that there is more than just a religious aspect to our education system.
It preaches to a choir that is already in agreement, but it does little to persuade and win over new converts. He should have done a better job in tracking down a dozen or so really solid arguments than gloss over facts and linclude sheer volume. If parents seek religious instructuion for their children, there are private schools. As with most conservatives, he places the blame for all that ails the conservatives on the "liberals" in the legislative and judicial system.
What he doesn't acknowledge is that there was really no other alternative in most communities, so they used the books they had. People who can't afford private schools need to find their own way to instruct their kids.The problem with Limbaugh's decision to blame the liberals for everything that's supposedly wrong with America is that he fails to accept any responsibility for the damage conservatives bring to the process. What's wrong is the party system that builds up these polemics.Not everything about the liberal tradition is as bad as Limbaugh says, nor is everything the conservatives advocate beneficial. In the end, this book is written for a crowd that will believe every word.
David Limbaugh's account of how the American political system is anti-Christian is both insightful and problematic at the same time. It was the Age of Enlightenment that actually bred the political criticisms of the established order and it wasin that framework that our founding fathers first developed their ideas of freedom and democracy.If the Bible were still the focal point of our education system, there would likely still be an argument for slavery and little advancement would be made in science. There are always going to be groups with different opinions.
If you don't want to hear what we have to say and write, then I believe you have every right to ignore us and walk away. I, too, must answer for my sins and despairs.but no one else's sins and despairs. If you don't want to 'believe' as I do.then DON'T. I will not say I pray for the hate-mongerers, because I don't want my faith sullied by ignorance. I despair over the fact that I cannot have the same benefits, such as free speech, as the anti-Christian person, without being castigated, dishonored, and pummeled by the same. Paul, and Jesus, both impress upon the faithful that we each have our own burden to carry.and my burden is too heavy to carry part or all of other people's burdens as well, past and present.
That is what this country was designed for.following what is in your own heart. Yes, I know the arguments about how the Christian religion has caused more death than any war, but one thing the anti-Christians are forgetting.the 'Christians' who did these things are the ones that will have to answer the the Supreme Being of the universe. I was reading some of the hundreds of posts, and would like to say something to the hate-filled folks who are so totally against Christians and their morals. As a strong Christian, my viewpoint is maligned at every opportunity.
Bingell If this offends anyone, I am truly sorry, but if you are offended, why are you reading posts for such an eye-opening book that unashamedly illustrates cases that support the title. Unfortunately, I keep my religious beliefs to myself, only exposing it to like-minded companions. I read it, liked it, and was abhorred by the fact-filled missives within.
I spent 20 years in the military supporting the Constitutional rights of every one in America. I do not consider myself a paragon of virtue, but I do know when to keep my mouth shut. Mr. Kindest regards,Stephen F.
I bought this book when it first came out. It is a shame that we haven't learned anything over the years.if you don't have anything nice to say.don't say anything. Limbaugh wrote this book so that others can have an idea that hate is happening all over, he just points to one certain aspect of this.bashing Christians.
And if they were really good, to pass out Chick Tracts. We had to move it a whole 15 feet to the east. With every passing year the GOD haters gain more and more ground and pollute it with their vile, Satan inspired liberal garbage ideas. With the backing of the ACLU and some other evil atheist group, they bullied the town with the threat of lawsuits. As for all the lights on the property.we had to waste 4 hours of city workers' time removing all the green and red bulbs from the strings and replacing them with other colors. We need to fight back and teach these GOD haters that our CHRISTIAN nation will not tolerate their evil ways. All lovers of GOD and JESUS need to buy a copy.
Limbaugh to write this book. They told our town we either had to put a sign by the CHRISTmas tree saying "Holiday Tree," or take the lights off. GOD bless them for taking it. Sick. In the next town over, those disgusting gays arranged the CHRISTmas bulbs in the lights on *their* city hall to put them in rainbow order. And don't even get me started about the store circulars that don't say CHRISTmas. We got the last laugh about the bulbs, though, by stringing up the rows of only red and green lights around the crèche of the BLESSED JESUS next door.
MERRY CHRISTMAS. It makes me want to throw up. How long must the righteous suffer this persecution before we stand up and demand for it to be stopped.And the CHRISTmas light display. Sometimes I even write bible verses over Satan inspired ads, like fancy ladies' undies, low cut blouses and football shaped phones. They couldn't believe anyone would insult OUR LORD AND SAVIOR, JESUS in that way. In my very own home town, two families, one Jewish (JESUS killers) and one atheist (GOD haters) complained over and over about our town's lovely CHRISTmas town hall decorations. And last year, some GOD hater swapped the blessed baby JESUS with the black lawn jockey across the street.
Neighborhood children stopped to watch and some were crying. What a travesty. I might even email Bill O'Riley. And my verses always come straight from my King James Bible, because if it was good enough for JESUS, it's good enough for me.So buy this book and do whatever the author says.before it's too late. It never made the news. Their tear streaked little faces nearly broke my heart.However, a couple of GODLY church members (bless their generous souls), gave them all hot chocolate with cross shaped marshmallows and promised to take them to the local abortion baby-killing mill next week and let them hold up signs of bloody fetuses for an hour.
We TRUE CHRISTIANS are a persecuted and set upon by the atheist hoard from all directions. It would have taken much longer to remove the bulbs, but for the help of GODLY people from the local churches coming out to help, and chipping in the $11.24 need to pay for new bulbs. An abomination. CHRISTIAN persecution at this time of year is rampant.I believe GOD inspired Mr. Every day I pick through my mail and return all of the GOD hating ones back to sender with a tract taped to it.
And one for everyone of their families and friends. So we had to move the nativity into the front yard of the Christian family living next door. This is sick, just sick, since all good CHRISTIANS know Jesus wore red and green robes, and HE is insulted by the removal of those bulbs. And no one listened to the complaints. GOD bless you.
In this season of GOD'S BIRTH and GOD'S LOVE, I want to tell you all about why the book is necessary. Praise JESUS. That cheered them right up.The liberal media is attempting to cover up events like this in all our towns.
Persecution is great. Iran. Wow. Do you think that judge would have said that to a Muslim. Christianity is under attack and people get away with trashing Christianity but wouldn't think to do such a thing to Islam, Buddhism, Jewish, even Hindu.
Never, nor should he a Christian or ANY theist. Threatening immediate arrest and incarceration for saying anything remotely resembling a prayer and even using the name God in a high school valavictorian speech. But Christians, no problem. It isn't illegal in the US, but don't think that would never come. And in case you didn't think judges are out of control in the country, read in Introduction.
No, USA.
Again, let's let George speak for himself:"Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. So, what are the arguments. They may be Mohometans, Jews or Christians of any Sect, or they may be Atheists."-- George Washington, letter to Tench Tilghman asking him to secure a carpenter and a bricklayer for his Mount Vernon estate, March 24, 1784, in Paul F Boller, George Washington & Religion (1963) p. 37, quoted from Ed and Michael Buckner.As for Jefferson, he doesn't really argue that one because he knows he would lose. p. When Jefferson ran for president in 1800, Adams' people ran an ad that said: "GOD--AND A RELIGIOUS PRESIDENT or.JEFFERSON--AND NO GOD." Yet Jefferson still went on to win in the House of Representatives and the supposedly religious man Adams placed third. iv., p.
Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced."John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, from George Seldes, The Great Quotations, also from James A Haught, ed, 2000 Years of Disbelief"The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles."-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 20, 1815"Let the human mind loose. 93."Many a long dispute among divines may be thus abridged: It is so; It is not so. Either way, conservatives and fundamentalist Christians should be in the minority since their views are dogmatic and ancient, not fit for a people living in the 21st Century. He accepted, to a considerable extent, the skeptical views of French Freethinkers." -- John E Remsberg, Six Historic Americans).All in all, this book is rubbish and merely disregards any information that might contradict its central thesis.
(2001)"When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one."-- Benjamin Franklin, letter to Richard Price, October 9, 1780, quoted from Adrienne Koch, ed, The American Enlightenment: The Shaping of the American Experiment and a Free Society, New York: George Braziller, 1965, p. How about a closer look:"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the pagans, but practiced it on one another. It is so; it is not so."-- Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1743And this one is especially appropriate since Limbaugh calls his book "Persecution":"If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution.
Well, they're weak and cherry-picked, which is to be expected from tripe of this sort. It is only for those who wish to validate their dogma and thus is complete tripe. What Jefferson said privately about George:"I know that Gouverneur Morris, who claimed to be in his secrets, and believed himself to be so, has often told me that General Washington believed no more in that system [Christianity] than he did."-- Thomas Jefferson, in his private journal, February, 1800, quoted from Jefferson's Works, Vol. 118, quoted from Ed and Michael Buckner"Among many other weighty objections to the Measure, it has been suggested, that it has a tendency to introduce religious disputes into the Army, which above all things should be avoided, and in many instances would compel men to a mode of Worship which they do not profess."-- George Washington, to John Hancock, then president of Congress, expressing opposition to a congressional plan to appoint brigade chaplains in the Continental Army (1777), quoted from a letter to Cliff Walker from Doug Harper (2002). As for the validity of the Bible, no need to tackle that here; just don't think and accept, even though it was written by incredibly ignorant men years after the supposed fact and contradicts itself all over the place. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."-- George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792, quoted from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom, also James A Haught, 2000 Years of Disbelief"We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition.
He calls John Adams "devout," which is nonsense. He goes on to argue (unconvincingly) how the Founding Fathers (including the core, or those who actually wrote the documents and became presidents or great public men) were devout Christians. But either way, here is a great fact. 789, quoted from Ed and Michael Buckner, "Quotations that Support the Separation of State and Church""What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society. Again, it is best to let Madison speak for himself:"And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."-- James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822, in Saul K Padover, ed, The Complete Madison: His Basic Writings (1953), also; from Jack N Rakove, ed, James Madison: Writings, (1999), p. But one thing is for sure, they were definitely not devout Christians.
He was raised by dogmatic parents like most others, but then went on to formulate hateful opinions of Christianity. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient allies."-- James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, addressed to the Virginia General Assemby, June 20, 1785"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprize, every expanded prospect."-- James Madison, letter to William Bradford, Jr., April 1, 1774, quoted from Edwin S Gaustad, Faith of Our Fathers: Religion and the New Nation (1987) p. Therefore as logic goes if they believed in witches, black-magic, alchemy and astrology, so should we.because for some reason, they knew what was best and we should just accept their beliefs no matter how old. In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; in many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. 497, quoted from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom"If they are good workmen, they may be of Asia, Africa, or Europe.
572 ("Gouverneur Morris was the principal drafter of the Constitution of the United States; he was a member of the Continental Congress, a United States senator from New York, and minister to France. In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States."-- George Washington, letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 1793, in Anson Phelps Stokes, Church and State in the United States, Vol 1. These found it wrong in the bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England."-- Benjamin Franklin, An Essay on TolerationThese men were at best agnostic, deist, or unitarian (or possibly closet atheists). Anyhow, back to his other arguments (if you want to call them that).
Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies."-- Benjamin Franklin, quoted from Victor J Stenger, Has Science Found God. Superstition and dogmatism cannot confine it."-- John Adams, letter to his son, John Quincy Adams, November 13, 1816, from James A Haught, ed, 2000 Years of DisbeliefHe argues that James Madison, the father of the Constitution, founded our government with the express intent of making it borderline theocratic and denies what he calls the "myth" of separation. A child-molesting black murderer would have a better chance of winning office than an atheist (as the polls also show). Maybe Americans weren't really as religious as they were made out to be.probably too busy trying to survive and all.He also argues that Franklin was a religious man because of his PUBLIC announcements of faith -- a common thing when anything else could be seen as blasphemous by the faithful. Firstly, he believes that because the Founding Fathers supposedly were ardent Christians, therefore we should be too. Here are some quotes from Adams the devout:"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Nice tid-bit.
But what about General George Washington, who he claims was intensively Christian. It will be loose. Yet again we have another Christian sad-sack posing as the oppressed minority, when most polls show their superstitious world view to be very much in the MAJORITY. It must be loose. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish Church, but practiced it upon the Puritans.
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